They’ve worked out what they need, what the wants are, what the points of view are. And have you got the tenacity, the courage, the guts, the wherewithal to take your dream and go through the process of getting everything you need to turn that into two hours of film? And I think Ros came to see you doing a one-off little seminar and then we did Write Your Screenplay 1, 2 & 3 and then Pro-Track. It’s like it’s the moment we’ve a Jesuit priest who is trying to find a synthesis between science and faith. How much easier it becomes know what to fight for and what not to fight for. This is even more pronounced on Lift It Down. And the other happening in the “present day” of 1954 New York. It’s an exhalation. So, we looked around, and, you know, there’s all the usual suspects out there. I worked with one and it was fascinating. That isn’t true.”. It is accurate to that moment with And I knew there’s no way you can just sit down and write a screenplay without some help. To just let that happen that takes guts. I think that word you just used, that’s been the big takeaway for me in terms of what I learned spending time with you learning to write: I learned more about structure. Tut the right person is going to think, “Oh this is the role that I could never play, this is the role that nobody else could ever write!”, Linus: Panos said this beautiful thing when we were in Sundance. I’ve met one recently. He called it “the tyranny of perfection.”. I was on a little indie– I came back from Boston yesterday– and in the end I spoke out and said, “This isn’t true, what we’re doing isn’t real.” We were getting this actress to do something and it just smelled of bad writing. I just met with a guy– we’re going to hopefully next year start teaching a class on fundraising– so I just met with a guy who has raised over $1.6 million on Kickstarter, which is incredible! And he did, and it was a great journey to go on. Linus Roache is not a professional musician, but he does a captivating job of portraying a failed one: cult leader Jeremiah Sand, the antagonist in the film Mandy, and the musician at the center of the recent Sacred Bones found-artifact album, Lift It Down, that marks the character’s return.. Teilhard at this point actually we shared with one of the producers of Mandy, this Belgian company, and they’ve offered to take it on. And I came out of the room, and I said to Ros, my wife and writing partner, “I don’t think I can do this. I just was that hungry to go to work and do it as well as I could, and I had so much fun. And luckily my days worked out I had like four days off to rebuild. I didn’t need to do much because he was the author– it was his vision. Learning how to translate that into drama and create the necessary journey for him was deeply challenging. But in the end, they’re visions that have been put up there for others to watch. When their pine-scented haven is savagely destroyed by a cult led by the sadistic Jeremiah Sand (Linus Roache), Red is catapulted into a phantasmagoric journey filled with bloody vengeance and laced with fire. That if you’re able to wrap it all up and tie it together with a bow and make it perfect where it doesn’t have any flaws, what it really means is that you didn’t wrestle with the issue fully because there’s nothing that we can fully understand. Learn more. I had singing lessons with Angel Deradoorian, who was also singing on some of the tracks. Starring Nicolas Cage, Andrea Riseborough, Ned Dennehy, Linus Roache, Richard Brake and Bill Duke. What happens if you just actually push yourself to tell the truth all the time? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. And it might start off as a fish and end up as a bicycle, but it was a bicycle in the beginning that you really wanted to see… maybe it gets better because of the input. I call it creative tension. And that’s one way to handle it when that kind of metaphorical writing comes out. And Linus is also a writer in his own right, so we’re going to be talking about his projects, what it is like to walk the line between being an actor and a writer, and how those And then it looks like you’re going to watch, your character, Jeremiah who becomes obsessed with this woman. 2018; Rating. In a sense what happens I think when you read a good screenplay is you do see the movie. But I had to dig really deep. It finds its way through a lot of generic stuff, or a lot of  people trying to write formulaic stuff, or trying to fit into the existing structure of Hollywood. Not at all. But another way to handle it is, “What happens if I turn up the dial to 11?” What if I double down on the magic, if I double down on the metaphor? And that was my constant experience making it. But there are also mainstream people who are flipping out about it. I could have just knocked out a couple of my own little Jeremiah songs along the way, but I never thought to do it. His books were published and they’re actually quite challenging books to read, but he became a hero after his death I suppose but he has never really had the platform to speak to the common man. So no, he was always a dark character. I mean, I think the films that I admire, and the films that seem to make it through, they have an individual voice. Directed by Panos Cosmatos. Mandy is a 2018 psychedelic action horror film directed by Panos Cosmatos, produced by Elijah Wood and co-written by Cosmatos and Aaron Stewart-Ahn based on a story Cosmatos conceived. The words were there — for all of them but one [song], which I’ll tell you about. Or is our fear of having to deal with the truth and that truth complicating what we believe, is that going to get in the way of us actually finding a place of peace?”. But he provides a context I suppose or at least some space to say, “This world we’re in is in process, and who is to say on which side the balance falls, on that of pain and suffering or joy and creativity? But in this day and age it is amazing what can be done now on that scale, with some clever manipulation you can actually do something that I thought was probably even a $60 million movie– now it can be done for six. So that willingness to do that– you can’t be arrogant about it, I mean you’ve got to listen, you’ve got to respond. Linus: And it is awesome. He just had to further mess with it. Jake: And I think it’s interesting, while we’re on Mandy, because it isn’t a perfect film. We wanted to write what we wanted to write, tell the story we needed tell, and therefore it takes place over a period of 50 years turn of the century and it’s in Paris, it’s in Rome, it’s in China and it’s expensive, it’s period and it is global. I wouldn’t lock eyes with him, though. I haven’t been pushed like that as an actor for a long time. Rolling Stone has an incredible review of it, New York Times, Roger Ebert. He gives himself a general shape, so he has a sense of where he’s going. Linus: And I think with great writing, when you’ve actually got it in place, it isn’t rigid. They thought it was a blue wave movie because Nick Cage is wearing 44 Obama, going after the blonde head narcissist. One day while driving with his small band of followers, cult leader Jeremiah Sand (Linus Roache, Oscar-worthy) sees Mandy aimlessly walking and smoking, falling instantly in love. He was exiled to China and silenced. I didn’t really realize the quality of the filmmaking until I got there and started filming it and we were all in this strange red light and it was very surreal to be in. I’ve met a few of these so-called “enlightened” or “awakened” individuals, who are in their own ego. It wasn’t until the massive wildfires in 2018 that the tapes were found and Lift It Down began its release journey, with Sacred Bones putting out the album in October 2020. Whatever mistakes I’m going to make are all part of the process.” So, that’s the way I approached it. And suddenly, it just lifted off the page. Linus Roache is a worthy villain in Mandy. 1967). And it could be creatively a good point; maybe it is going to be something that will take it into being more marketable. Jake: I really liked what you said about the collaboration because when you really know what you’re building it becomes so much easier to collaborate. It isn’t conflict, it’s creative tension. Director Panos Cosmatos is really pissed off at men. “I’m so in awe of musicians, singers, and songwriters, and I have so much respect for the art and the craft of it,” he told Vehlinggo this month. And it looks like we’re going to watch a relationship develop between them. Mandy is a 2018 action horror film directed by Panos Cosmatos of Beyond the Black Rainbow and starring Nicolas Cage, Andrea Riseborough, and Linus Roache. Though Roache isn’t known for music or even musical theatre, he had a blasting going all-in on the album — working alongside artists such as Angel Deradoorian, Milky Burgess, and Dan Boeckner to realize Cosmatos’ and crew’s vision for Lift It Down. In the face of that, I caught up with Roache one evening over Zoom to discuss the making of Lift It Down; Roache’s Mandy performance; his musical experiences; and questionable spiritual movements, among other things. So, would you do another Jeremiah Sand album? What about the song without words? But it didn’t translate, and you were telling us that and we were like, “He doesn’t get it, he doesn’t get it!” But you were just pointing to the fact that if we were going to do this thing in different timeline, we have to really work at how you can have an integrity of continuity of each timeline to move between them. R; Advertisement. How much easier taking notes becomes. Also, don’t miss the late ’90s-style website that kicked off the album’s marketing campaign.). Jake: I should probably do a whole podcast on that! I was filming in Morocco on Homeland and… I’d get these scratch tracks and I’d be learning them. When you come to it each time, it is actually fresh. These two movies are about the death of his parents, and one, Beyond The Black Rainbow, he calls his inhale. So creatively, that was kind of fun to be able to do that. But when I first read it, I literally was like, “I have no idea if this is a pile of shit or a pile of beautiful creative whatever.”. The New York-based English actor — known for his more straightforward roles in Law & Order, Batman Begins, Homeland, and long-running British soap Coronation Street, among many others — unleashed a terrifyingly bewitching performance in Panos Cosmatos’ 2018 black-metal horror picture opposite Nicolas Cage’s revenge-fueled lumberjack. I love it.”. Jake: Sometimes you think that everyone is looking for commercial– and look like everyone likes to make money– but the truth is, there are so many different niches. I have a theatre background. It works and I can deliver it.”. If you haven’t seen Mandy yet, Mandy breaks really almost every rule. Linus: Yeah, I had to push an edge for it. Linus Roache. Because it is always alive, because it is true, it is real. Jake: That’s really interesting with Mandy, because  if you get on the internet and you read the reviews, there are people who hate it. I worked really hard on the songs. You know, what it takes to do that still amazes me. To get somebody to invest in you, you have to give them that thing that’s already complete. You play a lawyer, they give you another lawyer and you’ve got more legalese to do… and, you know, you try to find the edge in everything you do. Jacob’s screenplay, Destroyer: How to Use Flashbacks in Your Script, BlacKkKlansman: Adapting a True Life Story. I’d like to bring more of the stories I want to tell to life. And it wasn’t from the known mind. Dorastał wraz z młodszą siostrą Vanyą (ur. This question is a bit more about Sand in general, and you might have fielded your share of this question around the time of Mandy. We had a big bear hug and then a little chat. He was actually dealing with the death of his parents. So what I think is really cool is we have this incredibly spiritual journey in this action filled dramatic script and this kind of marriage of a beautiful little character driven story with this kind of epic sequences in the film. And I said, “So man, have you got the words?”, And he went, “Dude — I thought you were writing it.”. I mean this connects to this lesson that you taught is great, the one big lesson: be prepared to write badly. And I’ve just reached that point where I’d like to be more creative. However, the former is more of a glam Jim Jones than Manson’s Hillbilly Hitler. Talk to me about this script this has been such a passion project for you and Ros. And I think one of the thing that’s top of mind for all of our writers is, “What does a great actor look for in a script?” If you want a Linus Roache in your movie– what do you look for when you’re looking at a role? Jake: Yes, and you can also deepen it too, right? Some people just have a voice and others of us have to actually fish around, and fight, and struggle and look, “What are these themes that are coming out of me, I don’t really understand them yet?” Then you have to curve them into something that translates and impacts people. 1981) i Edwinę (ur. That first track is all just one take — one improvised idea — that just came out of me. Mandy writer and director Panos Cosmatos breaks down his movie’s most surprisingly harrowing scene, starring Andrea Riseborough and Linus Roache. So that made me feel even more engaged. And that’s what’s real. Genres: Vigilante, Horror. Red Miller (Nicolas Cage) and Mandy Bloom (Andrea Riseborough) live a quiet existence in a beautiful, entirely open-faced cabin. What if we did this?” And it would up the stakes for the journey of the characters. It’s just Nick Cage in a bathroom for maybe two minutes responding. She helped me raise my octave level and my pitch. Buy $4.99. We had thought, “Oh yeah, Panos is writing the lyrics. I skipped over some colorful elements. And the easy way to tell the story, if you wanted to get rid of the friction points, would be to pick one of these timelines and cut the others out. Overall, it sounds like it was a pretty fun way to balance your obligations. A gang of "homicidal Jesus freaks" kidnaps her when their leader, Jeremiah (Linus Roache, Thomas Wayne from Nolan's Batman Begins), falls for her. You don’t see that in cinema very often. And if it’s a true dream, who’s to say whether it’s on the moon and it’s suddenly down in a café and an alien walks in and sits down– who cares? It isn’t a dictator saying, “Da-da-da…” he brought so much collaboration in, he invited you to be part of it. The songs were there. I knew Nic Cage was batshit crazy and talented. Jake: So I want to talk to you a little bit about Mandy. Jake: I’m here with Linus Roache, a Golden Globe nominated actor that you probably recognize from Homeland, Vikings, Law and Order, Batman Begins, Chronicles of Riddick, Priest and a ton of other features and TV shows. This is a fascinating (and well executed) project and shouldn’t be seen as a cynical ploy to create a Mandy Cinematic Universe. They have a company and they love these weird indie movies, you know horror fantasy movies, that’s their thing. Jake: So, talk to me  about like how you came to that project and what was compelling about it for you? It premiered at the 2018 Sundance Film Festival on January 19, and was theatrically released on September 14, 2018 by RLJE Films. And we can’t. Not that Mandy lacks of sense of humor, sick or otherwise.Roache’s prissy, acid-dosing messiah is consistently funny—and anyway, this is a movie that … And that’s what he was doing. And you start to go, “No, I know intuitively it has to happen here.”. I don’t think he was saying, “I’ve got a bunch of fantasy horror nerds that I’m going to entertain.”. Linus: That’s it, that’s it, beautiful. Fill in the form below to be placed on the waitlist. That night I watched [Cosmatos’ pre-Mandy film,] Beyond the Black Rainbow. So, I would occasionally think, “Maybe we should say ‘Da-da’ instead of ‘Da-da-da’” and they would normally come back with, “No, no there is a…” they had actually thought it through already. It actually helps you. Jake: Two World Wars, and wars in China and warlords and all this. And you’re watching a priest whose church believes that even to think about evolution is sin. Now, I just think the man is a genius and I’m so proud of the film. Part of the process is building and making up as they go, but we didn’t have a lot of time. So I’m very proud of what we did. But we were sort of in the process of still creating it in the moment, and that’s so satisfying and so unlike filming. And it would exhaust me. It’s a cult film in its own right. So, I think it’s a great example of an unlikely movie to get made– then suddenly Nick Cage is involved, suddenly Linus Roache is involved, suddenly all these great people want to be a part of it. Linus Roache is not a professional musician, but he does a captivating job of portraying a failed one: cult leader Jeremiah Sand, the antagonist in the film Mandy, and the musician at the center of the recent Sacred Bones found-artifact album, Lift It Down, that marks the character’s return. I remember I just thought for a moment, “What if Panos hasn’t written anything?” … On the subway I wrote down eight lines of just shit. The lack of commercial success became the key reason Sand left SoCal to “settle in a place where his ‘truth’ would be ‘received by pure and open hearts’.” The Children would end up occupying a recording studio outside of Redding — paying the owner handsomely — for about three years while Sand and crew recorded what would become a “lost artifact of the transitional period between the late 60s and late 70s,” even as violence and death ensued on the sidelines. Why don’t we do this there?” And say, “Why don’t you go back in there and do this bit again, and then we’ll overdub this?” We’d done all the work. It isn’t your movie, not my duck, not my bottle. Pacific Northwest. And some people are going to run from that. I’ve often ended up in a situation where someone gives me something that’s “kindof good,” its heart is in the right place, there’s a lot of good things about it, but the character isn’t quite believable. 1983 AD. Jake: All movies have what I call friction points. We’re going to have a pace that’s like– I don’t know if you’ve seen Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives? And that took us I think six months to even start to get that properly. Then he’d go, “Listen to this,” and he’d switch a few things around and say “What about that? But there are very few actors that actually think structurally. And occasionally you’re going to get a little diamond like Mandy is going to come out and really break through. With the Lift It Down LP, did you have to similarly dive in or was he less of a dark entity then? How can we bear it all, how do we?”. I think a good example, I did Season 7 of Homeland and the writing on that show is superlative. Linus: Panos has a vision. It seems like a much more immediate or interactive process. Linus: That’s right, that’s right! Mandy is on her way to her day job at a gas station when she walks past a van carrying cult members of the Children of the New Dawn. I just don’t know how I’m going to get there.”. It was also initially offered on 8-track tape, but you might need to hunt for it on Discogs at this point. Linus: So there’s a whole catharsis– all these layers and levels to the story and I think it’s– I don’t know if it’s a shame because I’m a bit old school because I don’t know how things work these days in distribution– but this thing had theatre and VOD same day release and I feel it’s a shame they didn’t keep it to art house cinemas for a few months and build more of a momentum. And it was just perfect how it worked out. And Mandy is red. In other words, Sand’s still a dangerous, murderous cult leader, but you wouldn’t find him with a swastika on his forehead. That beautiful scene you wrote is no longer necessary—it isn’t a beautiful scene because it doesn’t serve the whole, and you’re happy to let it go. He kind of sits in there at the desk and every once in a while he flips the page and he just tells you a story. “This early album is one of the only existing documents of Sand.”. Jake: If you’re a famous writer and you just made $100 million from your last movie, it is a lot easier to have a good idea and let that be attractive. You laugh because it is unbearable. Linus: Right, right, that’s true. In the backstory, he killed his parents. We think the actor is going to say this, but then the actor goes, “Actually, that doesn’t feel true to me I think it’s going to be that.”, Linus: That’s fascinating. 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If you just keep pushing on the truth, even if you don’t know how it is all going to work, eventually these stories are going to come together.”. But the stories he tells are so incredibly complicated, and he’ll weave all those stories together in ways that you’re like, “How did this man do it?” So I wanted to learn from him, and so I took this class with him, and one of the things he talked about was the idea that a great story needs to be broken in some way. “I’m going to try this, I’m going to try that, I’m going to try this.”, Jake: Like an early draft, and then there’s this moment when you start to realize what it is. And for me, particularly with Jeremiah, I got the archetype of the role. Having written a project that I now want to get made, one of the things I have taken from Mandy— seeing somebody just stay true to their vision and hang in there gave me a lot of confidence. I’m intrigued. Jake: And then we get like that talent trap, “Do I have talent, do I have enough talent?” But it’s almost like what you’re talking about with acting. But it was wonderful to do, and she’s on to her next project now. What was beautiful about it: so much love and care and creativity went into it, you couldn’t go wrong. Whether you like it or not, you can’t argue with it. And hats off to Ros my writing partner because she took on the heavy work, because in the end we wrote different parts of the story, which is interesting being a writer team. Jake: Which brings me to Teilhard. And if you look at the movie it’s very blue. Mandy (Blu-ray): Panos Cosmatos, Ned Dennehy, Andrea Riseborough, Linus Roache, Nicolas Cage: Amazon.com.au: Movies & TV Shows We’re like, “Oh well, let’s see, the character doesn’t go on a traditional journey, and the point of view shifts and you know we’re more in the world of metaphor than we’re in the world of reality…” and we might have the urge to rewrite the whole thing, “Okay, I’ve to make this naturalistic and I’ve to tone it down.”. We took on these two different timelines. And what’s really interesting is it’s built for a niche audience, but it actually ends up crossing over. That’s the one we want to make.”. We'll let you know once a slot opens up! So, I did do all the work, but I thought, “All I’ve got to do is really be as serious about it and dedicated as I possibly can, and then it’ll work. I’m talking about that energy of that individual who just believes that they really know everything, and they really are the center of the universe. I’d done so much work that when I got into the studio, I found out that apparently a lot of rock musicians don’t have it all sorted before they walk into the studio. At heart, Mandy is a simple story. Was it hard at all to go between playing the buttoned-up White House Chief of Staff David Wellington on Homeland back to Sand while you were in Morocco? But I couldn’t tell you how to make a bad one good or why something necessarily is that good. Linus Roache talks Jeremiah Sand and his role in Mandy at Sundance Film Festival And it just worked out with the timing of when we recorded  — we started on a Monday and Panos couldn’t arrive till Tuesday. Linus: But also you went out with something, which is what I believe Mandy is– is something, in a way, you can’t argue with. I was getting all these songs… and sometimes I was trying to figure out the lyrics from the scratch tracks. If I was seriously doing an album as myself, I don’t think I could [laughs]. Whereas a lot of great stuff came out of the moment when you slightly got it wrong, or things went slightly different in the scene and you did something that surprised yourself. For me, it was just like having so much creative fun. 1986). How do you actually know when your script is done so you don’t overbake it? And you go through Leaving Las Vegas and Raising Arizona and all of his movies in two minutes– and it is genius. So, it’s a good collaboration, but that wasn’t always easy. It’s quite cold. I’m better for it. At heart, Mandy is a simple story. You don’t get bored of it. And I find it extraordinary when you have a writer/director that’s that clear with their vision and yet able to collaborate. And it’s almost exactly like working with an actor. Mandy was a challenge. But I think we’re going down that road now. There’s this one scene in Mandy where Nick Cage– after his girlfriend Mandy is killed by Jeremiah– he has this one scene in the bathroom. I’ve got to do it as if I am the best. And what was really fun is we were really able to push on each other and influence each other–. And interestingly when it was screened in New York, I had a bunch of friends come who I knew this isn’t really their kind of film, and they loved it! So, we were in the studio on the Monday, and because I’d done so much work, we banged out like two or three of the tracks in one day. So I watched his previous movie Beyond The Black Rainbow, and for fans of Panos Cosmatos they’ll know that film. You go, “What’s the role I always wanted to play? Jake: Sometimes we’ve this urge to write the movie that we can write. And then it shifts and becomes a revenge movie. Linus: Right, and I think that comes down to one of the things you spoke a lot about– really, you know, it is true of any art form– finding your voice and being willing to commit to your voice. And so, in a way for me, what the challenge was, was actually going down in there and realizing just how in one individual in particular, how much denial there is. It is actually being able to strip away all those layers of masks, to just be like, “This is actually the truth of this character, this is the true line, this is the true moment.”. Sometimes you actually need that to get anywhere. I got what the function was. You work on your scene, your moment, you make things real in the subjective point of view of your character, and you aren’t really given the opportunity to stand back and look at the whole structural piece and get involved. What’s the film I’ve always wanted to write?”. He gives himself this process to wrestle and look and explore. Linus: I love that about them. And you’ve major mainstream critics saying, “Hey you guys showed me something new! When I read Mandy, I didn’t get it. 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